there was a cartoon called transformers about robots and the lead character was optimus prime
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
and he looks exactly like the robot in the video gliese showed
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
i'm really confused and i don't know what to tell you but i swear to god. Every saturday morning i'd wake up and watch cartoon OP go save the earth
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
i got a toy one for christmas once. And now they've...i don't know, replicated him? He's a robot so maybe it wouldn't be that hard to make one based off a model
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org He helped us transport materials off Ajna
He had a planet the same as the rest of us
He lost it, like we could
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org Why would they make a cartoon character and then bring on someone who knowed he was a cartoon character once he was put down?
So, what
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org Are we going to find out that you or your older double is a cartoon character after you slip up?
Or like
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org Did they find the best model for a planet saving hero and bring him this far just to make a point?
THE MODS SAY IT'S OKAY as long as we don't tell optimus and he dead...
But if he was programmed to think he was real, to think he had a planet that he was saving, then by all appearances it would look that way. And he'd be convinced of it.
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
That wouldn't make it any more true. You never got to visit his home right? Robots are programmable. You can do what you want with them, just a little rewiring or push a new code.
[And what the eff is...]
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
What is THAT supposed to mean? I'm a person, you can't just magic up a whole person! And by that logic we could be saying the same thing about you when you mess up so don't even go there
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
You'll just drive yourself nuts
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
And I don't know. I'm not the planet destroying mastermind here. I don't know for sure what's going on but I know that that was definitely the robot from the cartoon.
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
And I couldn't come up with a dumber conspiracy theory if I tried. I have zero reason to be making this up, I already look like a lunatic.
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org Actually thinking about this at all is going to drive me bonkers... there's too many reasons that backfire on each of us
And eventually cancels itself out I mean like
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org If Optimus is fake, then any of us could be fake because they've proved they can clone up whatever they want
There's people who died here and came back without memories too, those are pretty easy clone targets
Maybe they're even fake clones of already fake people, and everybody aboard this ship is fake except for the instructors
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org Which then, as long as we believe it's real and there's no way for anybody else to prove its not,, does it even matter?????
Because yea your saying he's a cartoon character but you can't prove it any more then I can disprove it! Sooo we can either be people protecting real worlds or we could be people destroying real worlds in the name of protecting fake worlds and EITHER WAY thats REALLY SHITTY but at least the first option has SOME reason ssssoooo BETTER TO STICK WITH THE FIRST??!! and completely forget what you knew to be true at home!!!??
Look just don't go too far with it? I'm scrambling for explanations here, and the only source of reference i have to pull them out of is my own butt
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
But yeah, all things considered, we COULD be clones. They had the power to clone people with preserved memories in my time, so it's probably not a problem to them
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
However these are big assumptions to be making. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay? All I know for sure is that i definitely watched a cartoon with an Optimus Prime
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
That was a robot that looked exactly like the one in the video. That doesn't guarantee anything about any of the theories we come up with
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
don't panic until we've got some solid evidence that they might be replicating people or planting false recruits. And this is not solid evidence
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
do a couple de-stress push ups or something, it'll be okay
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org Would you count people being dead in camp for two days, their bodies disappearring, and then coming back with all their memories in tact "solid evidence?"
[And much more quickly than anyone would have expected, Peter is strolling into the area outside the Melee Room, squinting around until he spots that mop of of bright orange hair. Good thing the files had pictures with them otherwise he'd be running around asking everyone if they liked volleyball.
A hand falls on his shoulder from behind. When the kid turns, he'll find a thinly-framed boy with thick brown hair starting to rebel against the short cut it had been forced into some weeks ago. Probably more suited to a science lab than defending the mean streets of New York.
[at least there was no worry about being intimidate by him - even if the Spider powers and general superhero gig still sounded super amazing and impressive, man, he'd have to ask more after the inevitable, sadder questions.]
Hey! Parker, right? [Parker number three, and he hadn't know it to be such a popular Western name until arriving here. initial surprise officially passing, he rocks back a step and gives a quick nod. playing off his shock as if it weren't no thing.] Nice to meet you.
[If he didn't know he was from Japan he might spare a moment to be stunned that he's taller than another boy for a change.
The carrot orange hair though, that's different. And also seemingly not a dye job. All in all there's something squirrelish about the kid's unruly hair and wide eyes: if Hinata wasn't the very definition of bright eyed and bushy tailed he'd eat his hat.
Not the frog one.]
Yeah. Peter. [Or should he specify that he's Thing 1 and not his taller, more benevolent counterpart? Ugh. You know what, no, unless Hinata drags that up he's not going to address it. They have bigger fish to fry.]
You were saying about a death-and-resurrection assignment?
It happened... a week or two after I arrived? [from silence in the camp to the deadened silence of near a quarter of the crew missing. it'd been a wake up call, alright.] Blue team members were ordered to select those they trusted the most. Then it was, what was it-- either they killed the person they selected, or the person they picked had to kill them.
[the point being obvious now, however reluctant one may be to accept it.]
The people that died woke up completely fine two Ajna days later. No one expected it; the instructors didn't tell us anything. It was meant as... you know, a lesson.
[Kill or be killed. How...incredibly tacky of them. Peter's expression sours at the description, the dip between his brows turning as stern as a court judge.]
Some "lesson." [He folds his arms, thoughtful.] Did they still have traces of their wounds? Did they have any birthmarks or freckles that were absent, or in different places? Maybe they found a way to fix that, but cloning back home wasn't perfect. Things like that still got randomized, even if they had the exact same DNA.
[head bows, raises, turns to the left and up -- eyes roving over ceiling and wall, all better a place to stall upon than the look on Peter's face. people had been upset on Ajna, the order's effects long-lasting and far-reaching, but as far as he knew, no one had outright fought against it.]
[for the better, wasn't it?]
[...]
[debatable. he'd maintain it was their most pointless, wasteful order to date.]
I don't know about wounds. [but Jean and Noh-Varr from before and after--] I didn't know many people then, and no one had any cameras. But as far as I know, everything's remained the same. Nobody said anything about physically changing.
[Peter presses a hand to his mouth. Thoughtful. Then it drifts, grips his side.
The only scar he still has. The hole where the bullet went through. It's fading now, like all his other marks had. Something to do with having a body juiced up by OZ serum, no doubt, but it's creeping him out that he had the scar at all. If they cloned did they carve it into him for realism's sake?
God.]
Look. I don't think we can say anything's for sure. Even with deaths and resurrections and whatnot, because it's just...when we're dealing with a scope that's this broad? Like I don't understand half the crap that's going on with other people's worlds. And magic is definitely a real thing, even back home. Who's to say we're not getting hocus-pocused back to life every time we bite it? There's so much we don't understand, I just don't know where to even start.
[Peter sighs, pinching the bridge of his nose.] I feel like a cave man trying to solve a mystery in the twenty first century.
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I feel like i'm going crazy but bear with me on this
Did you ever get a cartoon called transformers
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FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org
No
Is this because he can turn into a truck
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No it's because
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
look i
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
there was a cartoon called transformers about robots and the lead character was optimus prime
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
and he looks exactly like the robot in the video gliese showed
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
i'm really confused and i don't know what to tell you but i swear to god. Every saturday morning i'd wake up and watch cartoon OP go save the earth
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
i got a toy one for christmas once. And now they've...i don't know, replicated him? He's a robot so maybe it wouldn't be that hard to make one based off a model
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He helped us transport materials off Ajna
He had a planet the same as the rest of us
He lost it, like we could
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org
Why would they make a cartoon character and then bring on someone who knowed he was a cartoon character once he was put down?
So, what
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org
Are we going to find out that you or your older double is a cartoon character after you slip up?
Or like
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org
Did they find the best model for a planet saving hero and bring him this far just to make a point?
THE MODS SAY IT'S OKAY as long as we don't tell optimus and he dead...
But if he was programmed to think he was real, to think he had a planet that he was saving, then by all appearances it would look that way. And he'd be convinced of it.
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
That wouldn't make it any more true. You never got to visit his home right? Robots are programmable. You can do what you want with them, just a little rewiring or push a new code.
[And what the eff is...]
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
What is THAT supposed to mean? I'm a person, you can't just magic up a whole person! And by that logic we could be saying the same thing about you when you mess up so don't even go there
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
You'll just drive yourself nuts
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
And I don't know. I'm not the planet destroying mastermind here. I don't know for sure what's going on but I know that that was definitely the robot from the cartoon.
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
And I couldn't come up with a dumber conspiracy theory if I tried. I have zero reason to be making this up, I already look like a lunatic.
[1/2] a w e s o m e more saturday morning sads
Yea you do
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Actually thinking about this at all is going to drive me bonkers... there's too many reasons that backfire on each of us
And eventually cancels itself out I mean like
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org
If Optimus is fake, then any of us could be fake because they've proved they can clone up whatever they want
There's people who died here and came back without memories too, those are pretty easy clone targets
Maybe they're even fake clones of already fake people, and everybody aboard this ship is fake except for the instructors
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org
Which then, as long as we believe it's real and there's no way for anybody else to prove its not,, does it even matter?????
Because yea your saying he's a cartoon character but you can't prove it any more then I can disprove it! Sooo we can either be people protecting real worlds or we could be people destroying real worlds in the name of protecting fake worlds and EITHER WAY thats REALLY SHITTY but at least the first option has SOME reason ssssoooo BETTER TO STICK WITH THE FIRST??!! and completely forget what you knew to be true at home!!!??
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Excuse you, you were the one who asked. Don't get all sassy on me and calling me crazy for things I have no control over
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
What if Hello Kitty joined the crew huh? What then.
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
Who else is famous in japan. Astro boy?
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Look just don't go too far with it? I'm scrambling for explanations here, and the only source of reference i have to pull them out of is my own butt
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
But yeah, all things considered, we COULD be clones. They had the power to clone people with preserved memories in my time, so it's probably not a problem to them
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
However these are big assumptions to be making. Let's not get ahead of ourselves, okay? All I know for sure is that i definitely watched a cartoon with an Optimus Prime
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
That was a robot that looked exactly like the one in the video. That doesn't guarantee anything about any of the theories we come up with
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
don't panic until we've got some solid evidence that they might be replicating people or planting false recruits. And this is not solid evidence
FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
do a couple de-stress push ups or something, it'll be okay
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[after a short, notable pause.]
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org
Would you count people being dead in camp for two days, their bodies disappearring, and then coming back with all their memories in tact "solid evidence?"
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FROM: parker.peter@cdc.org
Where are you right now?
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I'm outside the melee room
FROM: hinata.shouyou@cdc.org
For the record, it was meant as a lesson
I don't suppose anyone mentioned it to you?
Suddenly Action!
A hand falls on his shoulder from behind. When the kid turns, he'll find a thinly-framed boy with thick brown hair starting to rebel against the short cut it had been forced into some weeks ago. Probably more suited to a science lab than defending the mean streets of New York.
Hinata, meet Spider-Man.]
Hey.
1/2
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[... what a nerdy, twiggy looking fella.]
[at least there was no worry about being intimidate by him - even if the Spider powers and general superhero gig still sounded super amazing and impressive, man, he'd have to ask more after the inevitable, sadder questions.]
Hey! Parker, right? [Parker number three, and he hadn't know it to be such a popular Western name until arriving here. initial surprise officially passing, he rocks back a step and gives a quick nod. playing off his shock as if it weren't no thing.] Nice to meet you.
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The carrot orange hair though, that's different. And also seemingly not a dye job. All in all there's something squirrelish about the kid's unruly hair and wide eyes: if Hinata wasn't the very definition of bright eyed and bushy tailed he'd eat his hat.
Not the frog one.]
Yeah. Peter. [Or should he specify that he's Thing 1 and not his taller, more benevolent counterpart? Ugh. You know what, no, unless Hinata drags that up he's not going to address it. They have bigger fish to fry.]
You were saying about a death-and-resurrection assignment?
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It happened... a week or two after I arrived? [from silence in the camp to the deadened silence of near a quarter of the crew missing. it'd been a wake up call, alright.] Blue team members were ordered to select those they trusted the most. Then it was, what was it-- either they killed the person they selected, or the person they picked had to kill them.
[the point being obvious now, however reluctant one may be to accept it.]
The people that died woke up completely fine two Ajna days later. No one expected it; the instructors didn't tell us anything. It was meant as... you know, a lesson.
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Some "lesson." [He folds his arms, thoughtful.] Did they still have traces of their wounds? Did they have any birthmarks or freckles that were absent, or in different places? Maybe they found a way to fix that, but cloning back home wasn't perfect. Things like that still got randomized, even if they had the exact same DNA.
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[for the better, wasn't it?]
[...]
[debatable. he'd maintain it was their most pointless, wasteful order to date.]
I don't know about wounds. [but Jean and Noh-Varr from before and after--] I didn't know many people then, and no one had any cameras. But as far as I know, everything's remained the same. Nobody said anything about physically changing.
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[Peter presses a hand to his mouth. Thoughtful. Then it drifts, grips his side.
The only scar he still has. The hole where the bullet went through. It's fading now, like all his other marks had. Something to do with having a body juiced up by OZ serum, no doubt, but it's creeping him out that he had the scar at all. If they cloned did they carve it into him for realism's sake?
God.]
Look. I don't think we can say anything's for sure. Even with deaths and resurrections and whatnot, because it's just...when we're dealing with a scope that's this broad? Like I don't understand half the crap that's going on with other people's worlds. And magic is definitely a real thing, even back home. Who's to say we're not getting hocus-pocused back to life every time we bite it? There's so much we don't understand, I just don't know where to even start.
[Peter sighs, pinching the bridge of his nose.] I feel like a cave man trying to solve a mystery in the twenty first century.